I was wondering what views, if any, you may have on anatomically correct male dolls? This follows the last thread which got me thinking about the differing ideals of body shapes/sculpts for women, how artists choose to interpret these and what different people find acceptable. Do you feel that it is ok to show female anatomically correct body parts and not males?.... both?...... or none at all?........
I have no problem with a male doll having a penis. Although it brings up the question for me, since the area would be lets say less flexible, how well the clothing would be able to fit on the doll?
Yes, that's one thing that occurred to me. I was just curious as to what people thought. I recently came across one and it took me by surprise, and then I questioned why that should be, as I wouldn't have done a double take if the doll had been female! It's not something that bothers me at all, it just made me stop and think!
Having collected primarily male ABJDs for years, I have to say at this point it weirds me out if I see a male doll which doesn't have a penis! I think perhaps people look more askance at it the first time they see one because the female anatomy is more discreet in that way, and even some Barbie sculpts will imply it, whereas with the male anatomy it's very obvious one way or the other.
In terms of how clothes fit, this isn't typically a problem on dolls any more than it is on actual men. The sculpt is flaccid (well, usually), and while obviously there will be a small bulge in the clothes, this makes the whole thing look 'right'. It's one of those things that you don't notice when it's there (again, usually...), but take it away and you will be aware that something is missing, even if you can't put your finger on what. Even Ken has a mound to simulate the bulge, after all (or at least he used to).
And that was probably more than you ever wanted to know!
Post by mdonline03 on Sept 29, 2014 20:57:38 GMT -8
The majority of my dolls are resin bjds and primarily male. The general anatomical accuracy is an important aspect of the sculpt and a deciding factor of whether I purchase the doll or not. Even though 99% of my dolls are male, I still have the same standards of accuracy for female dolls. But on topic - if the doll is male, I do expect to see male bits that have a reasonable level of detail and not look like a broken Crayon. The more realistic the face or other parts, the more realistic I expect to see the entire doll. It's a complete let down when I see loving detail put into the face, hands, feet or other places and then the genitals look like an after thought whether intentional or not.
I do think it's interesting though, that sculptors of human figures put differing amounts of detail; whether stylistically or realistically into different parts of a doll.
So far I haven't seen too many porcelain male bjds. It's definitely very interesting for me. In the resin world there are a ton of options to stumble across but so far it's been few and far between in the porcelain world. Hummm…maybe another thread?
Post by Tovah_Leah on Sept 30, 2014 4:44:20 GMT -8
Aesthetically, I would prefer to see an anatomical male similar to ancient sculpture. When I make a male doll, I've always thought to base it on Michelangelo's David. I suppose this would not only be the body but also the genitals. A small (modest), but sure penis. I imagine it is easy to become obscene when it comes to penis size, similar to the topic of female BJD breasts.
On the topic, I find that many male porcelain BJDs are very effeminate, long and thin like their female counterparts. I personally would prefer a more masculine sculpt, but do not know of any.
Looking at the David- that is a really "modest "penis. I too collect male BJD's and at this point it would look weird without a penis being there. But I also find it weird without pubic hair. I also find it strange that female BJD's are of a current idealized body type for a woman - ie long and slender with breasts that dont really match the amount of fat such a woman would have. But then the male dolls are not an idealized male shape. They are more feminine then an idealized male would be. But perhaps they are both of a more adolescent body type. Anyway I do like a more mesomorphic body type for males, and that hasnt been done for porcelain yet.
My one and only male porcelain is essentially a Ken doll with nothing down there. It's clear that the reason for this is so that he can wear the tightest pants possible. My resins have parts there and it's tough to get pants on them that aren't made just for them.
I guess I don't really care, but one of my girls has intricately painted genitals and I think it's one of the most beautiful parts of her, so a male of the same caliber would be beautiful as well.
I also appreciate accurately rendered body parts, whether they be genitalia, ears, or fingers. Dangly genitals can be hard to sculpt in such a way that they look like they have been through puberty without obstructing leg movement. And nessa is right about finding properly fitting pants...real humans have squish and doll genitals just don't! So I think they often end up small or not detailed.
Hopefully as more people make male bjds we will see greater attention paid to anatomy in general, including genitals.
Also, I feel like our forum is coming of age now that we have a Doll Genitals thread, lol!
I too would like to see more detail if they are going to be added at all. The one doll I saw fitted the description that mdonline03 described as a broken crayon! lol! And allurose, I did think twice before posing this question, but hoped that if members found it offensive it would be removed! I personally think that all body shapes and sizes are beautiful in their own way, and it is nice to see this reflected more and more realistically in the porcelain dolls that are produced.
Bibarina and Allurose- yes we have come into our own, I remember participating in a thread like this on DOA. Too funny. I wonder it there is a way to sculpt the penis so it is more tucked up in the pubis, less 3-d as it were.
Jayne- I saw that doll just yesterday- he is amazing- very "masculine" muscles on top of muscles. He is a bit scary!
Don't worry bibarina, it's not inappropriate at all! It's only that there are certain topics that seem to appear on every forum and this is one of them! This is the perfect place for a Doll Genitals thread.
I don't care for body builder sculpts myself. I like the lanky but fit style. Although I wouldn't mind a lot more variety, as in some dolls with more curves and fat to them.
Last Edit: Oct 3, 2014 19:35:18 GMT -8 by allurose
This is the sort of male doll I'd like: flic.kr/p/gSKncs By Lutsenko Dolls (Sorry I can't get the BB code)
I love the Lutsenko dolls, but the male is a little intimidating. I don't know too many gladiators. Guess I'm more into fashion than passion. ) My guys have "suggested" genitalia but not total reality.