Bibarina- absolutely ! It's all about what's precious to you, I have a little necklace my sister bought me for my birthday when she was a small girl,it cost less than a pound, from a market so you can imagine the quality !! Nevertheless it's so precious to me,she was so proud she had bought it and wrapped it for me,it's black with age but still in my box and always will be. Thats what it's about for me,some of the dolls shown here do absolutely nothing for me but their owners love them,and find them precious,it doesn't matter if it costs a pound or a hundred pounds if it's valuable to you then....
Yes Beau, I am totally in agreement! I have similar items in a special little box too, and to me those things are priceless! It is exactly the same with dolls I think....
In the porcelain doll world, though, "rare" seems to require being put on waiting lists that go nowhere. I'm so over that.
I am so with you on this.
I agree. I was so over the moon to be added to the waiting list for an RED. But it feels that this is a waiting list to nothing. Never any news or updates, no sign of any orders completed... it can be really thrilling and exciting to wait for something you really have your heart set on, but when one feels that despite being on a waiting list it is still never going to happen, it just brings disappointment and sadness rather than the joy it should be.
Bibarina,summed up nicely,just remember what it was like waiting for your birthday,Christmas or that special time as a child,it came round eventually but the waiting and build up was just as good as the actual event,that's how I felt when I knew I was on the RED list,for an Asian, I knew it would be a while but that was ok I could look around for ideas,dresses,wigs all the good stuff!! I have asked more than once what's happening with this list with no response,yet any email I have sent to Igor at Popovy have been answered very promptly,with patience and good humour. Makes a difference. I said earlier,without wanting to,upset anyone,I really don't think,there will be any more resins from Enchanted, with hindsight we would all have bought as many as we could,hindsight is a wonderful thing!!
Popovy is a great example of dolls that benefit from not being rare. Popovy is becoming popular enough that people create clothes for them more frequently. Lilycat cerisedolls is like this too. In fact, I now often see clothes for Lilycat that I wish would fit my dolls! But the dolls are still highly prized, artistic, and of great quality. I'm much more likely to buy either of those dolls now that they have such a following.
Enchanted doll is an interesting example because they are indeed rare (hard to get), but at the same time a bit common (as in easy to find others with) since we all know many people with an ED. And there are a few people that make and buy clothes/accessories. But I think we have the active ED forum to thank for that!
As for people regretting not buying ED when they were cheap...I think we give ourselves too little credit. ED was never widely available. Even at Marina's height of production she could only make so many dolls. Even if people had asked for a doll way back in the day when ED were $1000, they might still not have one, resin or porcelain. I am proof of that. I get the impression that Marina's waiting list has always exceeded her capacity for creation, even in those days. And now she has more interesting things to create. I do still wish she would offer blank resin kits, although I can see how that doesn't fit with the ideas behind the ED brand. But it is my selfish wish...
Allurose and 415ea,have very clearly put into words what most of us think, I certainly do,as I said in an earlier post,Popovy dolls didn't do anything for me for a long time,then suddenly... Well I've ordered Little Owl and have fallen in love with Peewit,I'm really happy to say their magic worked on me! I don't care how many people have these dolls,as Allurose said,more people to interact with/share ideas,and the more there are the more "stuff" is available for them,if you fall in love with a doll,rare or otherwise then you fall in love. Actually rare dolls etc upset me a bit because unless you have an awful lot of money you can't get them,just the way of the world but still.. There's always going to be things you can't afford and you can't let it upset you too much,and it's an artists right and probably need to produced one off creations. But endless waiting lists to me are unfair,why have them if it's all going to go quiet with no communication? I'm with Sutton on this .... So over it now. Still pretty Little Owl will be here soon got to think of a name for her,she's having an Asian face up by Mai, any thoughts? Something pretty
"Beau", Mai is doing my Little Owl as well. I just loved her early Blue Jay. Seeing her photos on Flicker & the PD site were what gave me the final push to get a PD, and I just love them.
Jilljackson, she is so clever isn't she? I'm also thinking of getting Peewit and she's already come up with a fabulous idea for her face up,I think these dolls creep up on you and win you over,I'm glad they did
Allurose, the kits sound like a good idea, I don't think it's selfish,just another approach,I'm absolutely useless at things artistic,but there are plenty of people you could turn to,talented clever artists. I can understand in a way, Marina's need to keep creating and stretching herself in an artistic sense,I also take your point about about the waiting list and her capacity to fulfil it,she's not a machine,but a little communication goes a long way,if that's it for her resin line,I would rather know than just be in limbo. It's her right as an artist/business woman to do what's best for her,but I think a lot of people are disappointed.
I come into this discussion as someone who can't afford to own any dolls at all. This doesn't stop me loving and appreciating all of the dolls that are out there though. I see the best dolls such as enchanted Dolls as works of art and I would never consider the ones Marina costumes herself to be dolls that could be dressed in clothes other people have made. I would just be happy to look and pose these sorts of doll. The rarity question in my mind comes down to the difference in making methods between porcelain and resin dolls.. Porcelain handmade dolls will always be less easily obtained as the better dolls can take months to make, as opposed to a resin doll that is reproduced en masse in a factory.. I think Marina is wise to concentrate on the high end side of her doll making even if it means so many people missing out on owning one of her dolls. This s what she does best and that is what makes her such a special artist.. I love the fact that she now commands such high prices for her work as that means that high end doll making is now recognised as the fine art that it is and not just toy making..There are so many things I would love to have in this world but will never be able to afford but there is nothing to stop us all looking and admiring these things anyway..
I agree Jealoushe, Marina deserves the high prices she commands from her dolls, I don't think this is in doubt. She is a highly skilled artist who has worked for many years perfecting her vision. My point personally is only that I find it frustrating to be added to a waiting list with absolutely no idea whatsoever if this means I will eventually be able to purchase one of her RED's or not. It is not a complaint as such, just an observation of how it makes me feel. There are many porcelain doll artists that I admire greatly, and it has been wonderful to see them develop and command high prices for their work too.
Post by orchidsdesigns on Feb 16, 2015 14:11:08 GMT -8
As a seamstress the rarer a doll is, is actually a hindrance for me. It means there is less of a chance the tiny dresses I create for these dolls will have enough dolls in homes to dress! There was one doll I bought that I really had to get as a selfish purchase as the artists told me I was getting the very last doll and no more would be made. This saddened me but she was so funny and cute I told myself I could allow this one greedy purchase (she is Szarlotka the bunny girl from Buried in Oblivion dolls)
My other "personal collection" dolls (ie: not the working girls, lol) are the dolls made by artists I call my friends.... Higher Delights, Heartstrung, Paper White, Orenda Doll, Hemlig, Blue Butterfly Dolls. When I feel I "know" an artist through a forum and have seen their process creating a doll from scratch I want to support my friends and sew for their dolls andtry to promote them. I believe in Art Karma :-P
I can understand that some people value scarce items, but it was a bit shocking to me to read so openly someone saying that they purchase only the most expensive dolls as symbols of exclusivity and status. Then I realized that it was simply expressing in high voice some thoughts I'm sure other persons share. On my side, as an owner I've always valued the sculpture and the aesthetics above everything else, and the fact of a sculpture being popular or non-limited never was detrimental to my love for them.
I am done checking my emails every day for 5 years and hoping to find a single word that it is finally my turn to order.
Five years is an obscene amount of time when you really think about it. I sometimes wonder if the waiting lists are only there as a survey, of sorts. As an artist, it would tell me how many people covet the dolls, and then price can be fixed. Supply and demand.
Well, but I bet now having Aurora to play with makes you forget to check your emails completely!
You are right about that. Porcelain BiDoll, with all the accessories and body jewels, is worth the same as nude RED. To me this is ridiculous. When i had a chance to buy RED second hand, or a BiDoll, i chose to buy Aurora. I just refuse to pay many thousands of dollars for resin doll, even if it's RED.