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Post by ivdolls on Feb 17, 2015 7:59:42 GMT -8
Well, i hope that this "fascination" with Ed/REDs will come down sooner or later. There are so many beautiful dolls and talented artists out there. I also like Popovy's dolls, but for now i am concentrating on the porcelain dolls, and BiDolls in particular. I think that she is an extremely talented artist, and her dolls can proudly stand next to EDs.
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Post by beau on Feb 17, 2015 10:41:30 GMT -8
Sutton, ha made me laugh about the circuits in your head I know how you feel,though,recently I had a chance to adopt an Asian RED,the mould I really wanted,but the price made me think twice, I was grateful for the chance and the dolls were immaculate,but when I thought about it,I just couldnt justify spending that sort of money, as you said, on plastic. Some people would and that's fine. Igor is lovely isn't he? Always gets back to you,even apologises if he takes a little time. It makes a lot of difference
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Post by beau on Feb 17, 2015 13:15:04 GMT -8
Sutton, sums it up I think, I do love the Asian mould,but the issue of the paint wearing is scary,eventually you would have a blank doll ! Its difficult to know what to do,take the risk or not bother. Ah well,more circuits frazzled
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Post by nanyalin on Feb 17, 2015 15:35:13 GMT -8
I am a customizer myself, so honestly, if I would own an RED I couldn't resist the temptation to make her really mine and give her a faceup on my own... but on the other hand, if she would have come with a faceup by Marina, how on earth would I ever dare to touch and remove that?
I also honestly think that the extreme rarity is giving us, the emerging artists, a chance. I've been embarked in BJD's for more than 10 years already, and since I've built my first one in 2010, I've been looking for the opportunity and the moment where I could jump into porcelain; I always perceived Porcelain as some kind of '''ultimate bjd'', which never yellows, fades or chips, passes unaltered through time and will retain my artistic vision for as long as she has a careful owner. It has taken me almost 4 years of work to be as close as completion of my project as I am now, and I must say that my practice in resin dolls has been extremely valuable in terms of learning about design, functionality and joints, but I am thrilled now that I am reaching to somwhere with the porcelain investigations. And to have the opportunity to reach a fandom of people who are really involved with dolls and would love to add more of them to their collections, and which also happens to be as supportive and appreciative as the porcelain fans are, is simply amazing. So at least in this subject, rarity seems to be an ally.
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Post by ivdolls on Feb 17, 2015 15:49:31 GMT -8
I am a customizer myself, so honestly, if I would own an RED I couldn't resist the temptation to make her really mine and give her a faceup on my own... but on the other hand, if she would have come with a faceup by Marina, how on earth would I ever dare to touch and remove that? I also honestly think that the extreme rarity is giving us, the emerging artists, a chance. I've been embarked in BJD's for more than 10 years already, and since I've built my first one in 2010, I've been looking for the opportunity and the moment where I could jump into porcelain; I always perceived Porcelain as some kind of '''ultimate bjd'', which never yellows, fades or chips, passes unaltered through time and will retain my artistic vision for as long as she has a careful owner. It has taken me almost 4 years of work to be as close as completion of my project as I am now, and I must say that my practice in resin dolls has been extremely valuable in terms of learning about design, functionality and joints, but I am thrilled now that I am reaching to somwhere with the porcelain investigations. And to have the opportunity to reach a fandom of people who are really involved with dolls and would love to add more of them to their collections, and which also happens to be as supportive and appreciative as the porcelain fans are, is simply amazing. So at least in this subject, rarity seems to be an ally. I am excited to hear that you doing porcelain doll. I am a fun of your resin elves and would LOVE to see them in porcelain.
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Post by nanyalin on Feb 17, 2015 16:03:33 GMT -8
Oh, thanks a bunch, Ivdolls! You will see it very soon ^^. I created the resin sculptures to have a solid base to work with porcelain on a later stage.(never liked much the idea of the wax máster). That's why Maeve and Moira have such a peculiar size; I was counting on the reduction caused when casting them into porcelain. The porcelain master's body is substantially different, tho; even if it retains the elegant long lines from the resins, it is double jointed at the hips, and the whole joint system has been readjusted and re-sculpted to work better with a different matherial. To give you an idea, it has taken me an extra year of work and three more iterations with my resin and clay sculptures until I've came out with a master mold that I liked enough to be casted in porcelain. Not to mention all the attempts with different slits, plaster molds, kiln temperatures, jewelry work, etc etc...
So I kinda understand Rafael when she says that it is an excruciating work, that comes out slowly and remains scarce simply by the manufacturing times. When you want to create a fullset, is so time consuming that it happens to be scarce by force, unless you are prolific as an army of gnomes or can pass without sleep and weekends XD.
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Post by ivdolls on Feb 17, 2015 16:15:37 GMT -8
Oh, thanks a bunch, Ivdolls! You will see it very soon ^^. I created the resin sculptures to have a solid base to work with porcelain on a later stage.(never liked much the idea of the wax máster). That's why Maeve and Moira have such a peculiar size; I was counting on the reduction caused when casting them into porcelain. The porcelain master's body is substantially different, tho; even if it retains the elegant long lines from the resins, it is double jointed at the hips, and the whole joint system has been readjusted and re-sculpted to work better with a different matherial. To give you an idea, it has taken me an extra year of work and three more iterations with my resin and clay sculptures until I've came out with a master mold that I liked enough to be casted in porcelain. Not to mention all the attempts with different slits, plaster molds, kiln temperatures, jewelry work, etc etc... So I kinda understand Rafael when she says that it is an excruciating work, that comes out slowly and remains scarce simply by the manufacturing times. When you want to create a fullset, is so time consuming that it happens to be scarce by force, unless you are prolific as an army of gnomes or can pass without sleep and weekends XD. OMG, Maeve in porcelain!!!!!!! She will be awesome. I love this girl, she so elegant and airy.
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Post by Divine Creations on Feb 17, 2015 16:25:00 GMT -8
You are right Nanyalin. The porcelain dolls néed lots of time, I did my big doll progect almost 2 years. And I also wish we (artists) have army of gnomes who will work day and night for as without the weekends.
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Post by ivdolls on Feb 17, 2015 16:59:57 GMT -8
You are right Nanyalin. The porcelain dolls néed lots of time, I did my big doll progect almost 2 years. And I also wish we (artists) have army of gnomes who will work day and night for as without the weekends. LOL, Larisa, i just had this mental picture of house elves making your doll. LOL Looks funny.
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Post by Divine Creations on Feb 17, 2015 18:39:53 GMT -8
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Post by bibarina on Feb 18, 2015 2:02:12 GMT -8
This is one of the reasons that I am so glad this forum exists- it is a perfect platform for artists to share their work with collectors. I love that many are sharing their process too and I think this makes it more personal for those who eventually purchase one.
I think that many people may be surprised at the sheer amount of work that goes into the production of a doll from start to finish, and how much time it takes.
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Post by kamia on May 12, 2015 13:11:53 GMT -8
This has been a really interesting read. At first, when I found porcelain dolls, I was really upset at the prices... How would I ever afford one (especially as I looked at ED first!)? I remember discussing with a friend who said something along the lines of 'think about how many resin dolls you could buy with that'. But for me it is not about the 'value' and whilst price IS instrumental insofar that in order to buy it I need the money, the most important thing is that the doll is perfect for me, my tastes and my particular values. It is important to me to have a doll that has had the artist that him/herself has worked upon and created a vision that is almost eternal (with good care). I also really love getting to know the people behind the dolls, their stories, and the stories for their dolls. It is for this reason I really enjoyed reading the stories in the ED book, and really wish they were longer! Rarity has never been, nor will it be, a priority for me when picking a doll, it just seems in porcelain, generally they are rarer because they take more work and artist investment. These are just initial un-synthesised thoughts!
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