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Post by ivdolls on Oct 13, 2016 15:59:04 GMT -8
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Dina
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Post by Dina on Oct 13, 2016 17:13:30 GMT -8
Maybe both artists were both inspired by the some photo of a scrawny runway model with bony shoulders or by Popovy Sisters who have fine tuned the runway model look. This is funny, because Pasha is a model (thin) and the doll looks just like her. Ha! No disrespect to those who are model thin! That's clearly not me lol.
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Post by Dina on Oct 13, 2016 17:17:06 GMT -8
Interesting comment on familiarity .. Like the rebirth of vintage items or looks like vintage .. It's appealing to a demographic of age and income that finds comfort in childhood memories.
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Post by Sutton on Oct 13, 2016 17:59:39 GMT -8
Interesting comment on familiarity .. Like the rebirth of vintage items or looks like vintage .. It's appealing to a demographic of age and income that finds comfort in childhood memories. Yes, interesting, isn't it. Familiarity as a marketing strategy works great. It's related to mathematical probability where about 80% of us seem to find comfort in the familiar(the "common" or "mainstream") and 20% in extremes(10% extremely innovative good kind of different, 10% extremely innovative bad kind of different). This is why copying others who are successful works (most of the time). For example, this is why elements from Marina B. dolls and costumes are borrowed so extensively by other doll artists.
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Post by amandap on Oct 14, 2016 21:10:10 GMT -8
I find it hard to take sides with this one. There doesn't seem to be enough evidence for either one of their cases right now. Pasha is claiming to be an innovator. She may be, it takes talent to make a ball jointed doll because they are quite difficult to make. However I have seen similar joint to these even in wooden dolls so it is possible she drew inspiation from these places. BiDoll may have copied, or she may have drawn inspiration from the same places Pasha did, because let's face it, it is impossible to come up with any idea out of thin air. Inspiration is needed. I can see both sides of this arguement but I disagree with how it's being handled. I've had people copy me in the past and I've had someone also create a push mold off my work. But in neither case did I name and shame them. I got mildly annoyed but brushed myself off and did things differently next time. I feel like doing anything different to this just looks ugly.
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Post by caracal on Oct 15, 2016 1:36:48 GMT -8
Interesting comment on familiarity .. Like the rebirth of vintage items or looks like vintage .. It's appealing to a demographic of age and income that finds comfort in childhood memories. Yes, interesting, isn't it. Familiarity as a marketing strategy works great. It's related to mathematical probability where about 80% of us seem to find comfort in the familiar(the "common" or "mainstream") and 20% in extremes(10% extremely innovative good kind of different, 10% extremely innovative bad kind of different). This is why copying others who are successful works (most of the time). For example, this is why elements from Marina B. dolls and costumes are borrowed so extensively by other doll artists. And Marina has got her inspiration from Sulamith Wolfing (was the name written like that?) and from russian embroidery (just love those heavily embroidered russian clothes!!! Borrowed a book while ago, which had lots of detailed photos of them <3). So yes yes and yes, art is always influenced by earlier work of culture or artist and some things are 'in fashion' =everyone makes similar things because it sells. But are the other artists borrowing elements from Marina, or are they borrowing elements from Sulamith Wolfing (?) and russian embroidery? (maybe this comment is better on some other thread? Moderators can move this...)
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Post by 415ea on Nov 11, 2016 11:28:14 GMT -8
I love love love the work of BiDoll! But I do feel that perhaps some of the ideas do not always appear to be so fresh. For example, I noticed a while ago that her stiletto ballet shoes looked to me so much like the Popovy stiletto ballet shoes that came out a long time before hers, as well as the doll stands being similar. I am NOT saying she copied anything (which I don't think is the case) but some of her work does feel a bit derivative of others (I'm sure many artist are inspired by each other). However, I still love her work and especially the things that are truly unique to her work.
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Post by 415ea on Nov 11, 2016 11:34:17 GMT -8
Also I should add that I would still buy BiDoll in a heartbeat if I could afford it because overall art quality is unique and beautiful on its own.
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